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	<title>Comments for International Science Fiction Reshelving Day</title>
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		<title>Comment on ISFRD is Dead by tobias s buckell</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/isfrd-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>tobias s buckell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you left out the point that you&#039;re also vastly wrong about what Margeret Atwood has actually said and thinks about SF vs Mainstream. You can listen to her own words right here as she interviews with Rick Kleffel of the Agony Podcast:

http://www.bookotron.com/agony/audio/2009/2009-interviews/margaret_atwood-2009.mp3

As Rick says &quot;Atwood proved to be immensely charming and, what&#039;s more something of a scholar of science fiction. She wrote a paper on turn-of-the-last-century SF, and was tossing about &#039;The Purple Cloud&#039; and even more obscure titles as we talked. I did ask her directly about science fiction, speculative fiction, space squids and talking cabbages. The bottom line is that Atwood is something of a science fiction fan and actually, kind of an SF geek, in that she knows all sorts of things about the genre that most folks can&#039;t spout off at the tip of a hat. The dry sense of humor you&#039;ll find in her books (you need the right sensibility to do so) is ever more apparent when she speaks. I had an absolute blast talking to her; and I think when you give the interview a listen, it should once and for all crush the idea that she&#039;s a literary elitist who sees herself above the genre. It&#039;s actually rather the opposite, because she clearly respects the knowledge of science required to write what is generally termed as &quot;hard science fiction.&quot; To have your head turned round with regard to the delightful Margaret Atwood,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you left out the point that you&#8217;re also vastly wrong about what Margeret Atwood has actually said and thinks about SF vs Mainstream. You can listen to her own words right here as she interviews with Rick Kleffel of the Agony Podcast:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bookotron.com/agony/audio/2009/2009-interviews/margaret_atwood-2009.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookotron.com/agony/audio/2009/2009-interviews/margaret_atwood-2009.mp3</a></p>
<p>As Rick says &#8220;Atwood proved to be immensely charming and, what&#8217;s more something of a scholar of science fiction. She wrote a paper on turn-of-the-last-century SF, and was tossing about &#8216;The Purple Cloud&#8217; and even more obscure titles as we talked. I did ask her directly about science fiction, speculative fiction, space squids and talking cabbages. The bottom line is that Atwood is something of a science fiction fan and actually, kind of an SF geek, in that she knows all sorts of things about the genre that most folks can&#8217;t spout off at the tip of a hat. The dry sense of humor you&#8217;ll find in her books (you need the right sensibility to do so) is ever more apparent when she speaks. I had an absolute blast talking to her; and I think when you give the interview a listen, it should once and for all crush the idea that she&#8217;s a literary elitist who sees herself above the genre. It&#8217;s actually rather the opposite, because she clearly respects the knowledge of science required to write what is generally termed as &#8220;hard science fiction.&#8221; To have your head turned round with regard to the delightful Margaret Atwood,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The List by Terry Veazey</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/the-list/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Veazey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really found the discussion enlightening. Can that be restored? I promise not to move anything... :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really found the discussion enlightening. Can that be restored? I promise not to move anything&#8230; :^)</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISFRD is Dead by jrrl</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/isfrd-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>jrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David K M Klaus: A possible compromise in some cases, but (at least around here) bookstores don&#039;t always have multiple copies of books unless they are new or insanely popular.  In any case, I&#039;m now looking for non-disruptive ways to promote the SF/F genre to new readers.  Suggestions on that front are more than welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David K M Klaus: A possible compromise in some cases, but (at least around here) bookstores don&#8217;t always have multiple copies of books unless they are new or insanely popular.  In any case, I&#8217;m now looking for non-disruptive ways to promote the SF/F genre to new readers.  Suggestions on that front are more than welcome!</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISFRD is Dead by jrrl</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/isfrd-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>jrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fred: Just added the &quot;Cancelled&quot; stamp on each page that links to the explanation page.  That should help.  Thanks for the suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fred: Just added the &#8220;Cancelled&#8221; stamp on each page that links to the explanation page.  That should help.  Thanks for the suggestion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISFRD is Dead by Fred</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/isfrd-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are a lot of better ways to get the same message across, so I&#039;m glad to see you&#039;ve decided to go that route instead. Maybe you could post this to the &lt;i&gt;main&lt;/i&gt; page, too, so that people know it&#039;s been canceled if they&#039;re new visitors or don&#039;t check the blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are a lot of better ways to get the same message across, so I&#8217;m glad to see you&#8217;ve decided to go that route instead. Maybe you could post this to the <i>main</i> page, too, so that people know it&#8217;s been canceled if they&#8217;re new visitors or don&#8217;t check the blog?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISFRD is Dead by David K. M. Klaus</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/isfrd-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>David K. M. Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to reshelving is to not do it to every copy.  I take one or two copies of &lt;i&gt;The Screwtape Letters&lt;/i&gt; and move them from the religion section to sf/fantasy, take one or two copies of &lt;i&gt;Memos from Purgatory&lt;/i&gt; and move them from sf/fantasy to Crime Fiction, take one or two copies of &lt;i&gt;The Glass Teat&lt;/i&gt; and move them from sf/fantasy to the t.v. books section, take one or two of the Christian Arthurian books and move them to religion from the Young Adult or s.f./fantasy section, take one or two Kurt Vonnegut books or &lt;i&gt;Brave New World&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;1984&lt;/i&gt; from the Literature section and move them to sf/fantasy..  In each case, I leave the bulk of the books where they are put by the store clerks, no matter how offensive or inappropriate their placement is.  You have to recognize the reality of the store&#039;s individual system and just nudge it a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to reshelving is to not do it to every copy.  I take one or two copies of <i>The Screwtape Letters</i> and move them from the religion section to sf/fantasy, take one or two copies of <i>Memos from Purgatory</i> and move them from sf/fantasy to Crime Fiction, take one or two copies of <i>The Glass Teat</i> and move them from sf/fantasy to the t.v. books section, take one or two of the Christian Arthurian books and move them to religion from the Young Adult or s.f./fantasy section, take one or two Kurt Vonnegut books or <i>Brave New World</i> or <i>1984</i> from the Literature section and move them to sf/fantasy..  In each case, I leave the bulk of the books where they are put by the store clerks, no matter how offensive or inappropriate their placement is.  You have to recognize the reality of the store&#8217;s individual system and just nudge it a bit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reactions from the Blogs by TJ</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/reactions-from-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;His (Constant&#039;s) second complaint is that he thought we wanted all SF books rolled into one comprehensive fiction section. I suppose there may be SF readers who want this, but I certainly do not. There are times I want to read a mainstream book and times I want to read SF and I like being able to find the one I want.&quot;

I agree with nearly all your other responses, (and I certainly don&#039;t want a comprehensive fiction section either, oi!) but I think you forget: what about mainstream SF books? The assumption that there&#039;s a difference between &quot;mainstream&quot; and science fiction is what&#039;s creating this issue in the first place. We have to acknowledge that a lot of the authors proposed to be moved are, in fact, &quot;mainstream,&quot; at least in that they&#039;re widely read by people who don&#039;t otherwise follow the SF genre. &quot;Time Traveler&#039;s Wife&quot; is a good recent example of that. How do you propose we deal with works that dip into both sides of the pool?

And I have to say, there&#039;s a bit of hypocrisy in your saying you &quot;like being able to find the one&quot; you want, when you intend to move books to places others might not think to look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;His (Constant&#8217;s) second complaint is that he thought we wanted all SF books rolled into one comprehensive fiction section. I suppose there may be SF readers who want this, but I certainly do not. There are times I want to read a mainstream book and times I want to read SF and I like being able to find the one I want.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with nearly all your other responses, (and I certainly don&#8217;t want a comprehensive fiction section either, oi!) but I think you forget: what about mainstream SF books? The assumption that there&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;mainstream&#8221; and science fiction is what&#8217;s creating this issue in the first place. We have to acknowledge that a lot of the authors proposed to be moved are, in fact, &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; at least in that they&#8217;re widely read by people who don&#8217;t otherwise follow the SF genre. &#8220;Time Traveler&#8217;s Wife&#8221; is a good recent example of that. How do you propose we deal with works that dip into both sides of the pool?</p>
<p>And I have to say, there&#8217;s a bit of hypocrisy in your saying you &#8220;like being able to find the one&#8221; you want, when you intend to move books to places others might not think to look.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reactions from the Blogs by LWJ</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/reactions-from-the-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>LWJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it IS an asshole move, particularly in the holiday period, when the most illiterate customers come in to look for books off the wishlists of their more literate friends, when booksellers are at their most frazzled (particularly this year, when shops have held off hiring temporary staff because they&#039;re so deeply in the red) and when the two will combine most unpleasantly.

Booksellers will be shouted at by morons during an already horrible, anxious time so that you can have a temporary buzz at your own cleverness. Well done.

You&#039;re no better than the wags who stick the Bible in fiction (ho ho ho) or put erotica in the children&#039;s section or hide books by Richard Dawkins.  If you have problems with genre classifications, attack the publisher&#039;s work, not the bookseller&#039;s.  It isn&#039;t booksellers who get to decide these things, aside from the rare few, dying independent shops, which are quiet enough to catch you doing this, fix it promptly and possibly even ask you to leave.

Your protest is the equivalent of kicking the crossing guard in the leg because you find a new road layout inconvenient.  It&#039;s childish and ineffective and it hurts those who deserve it least, most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it IS an asshole move, particularly in the holiday period, when the most illiterate customers come in to look for books off the wishlists of their more literate friends, when booksellers are at their most frazzled (particularly this year, when shops have held off hiring temporary staff because they&#8217;re so deeply in the red) and when the two will combine most unpleasantly.</p>
<p>Booksellers will be shouted at by morons during an already horrible, anxious time so that you can have a temporary buzz at your own cleverness. Well done.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re no better than the wags who stick the Bible in fiction (ho ho ho) or put erotica in the children&#8217;s section or hide books by Richard Dawkins.  If you have problems with genre classifications, attack the publisher&#8217;s work, not the bookseller&#8217;s.  It isn&#8217;t booksellers who get to decide these things, aside from the rare few, dying independent shops, which are quiet enough to catch you doing this, fix it promptly and possibly even ask you to leave.</p>
<p>Your protest is the equivalent of kicking the crossing guard in the leg because you find a new road layout inconvenient.  It&#8217;s childish and ineffective and it hurts those who deserve it least, most.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The List by Skip Mendler</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/the-list/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Mendler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeleine L&#039;Engle, A WRINKLE IN TIME</description>
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		<title>Comment on The List by Skip Mendler</title>
		<link>http://isfrd.org/the-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Mendler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS Lewis&#039; SPACE TRILOGY (Perelandra, Out of the Silent Planet, That Hideous Strength)</description>
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